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Post by littlelenny65 on Aug 10, 2007 19:47:22 GMT
Because as we both know LJC, the majority of rock fans aren't interested in anything new - they just want their GnR, their ACDC, their Iron Maiden - stuff they know from a time when rock music was the in thing. If proof were needed on how a large majority of the older rock fans think you only have to look at a recent issue of Classic Rock Magazine when some rock journalist reviewed the new Gotthard album, he panned it big time. To my way of thinking, how can the hard rock genre move forward when exciting bands that have endured the grunge and thrash obsessed scene, get short shrift from a magazine that is supposed to be for good traditional rock values and sounds, then goes and crucifies a prime example of the stuff that older fans who were into rock and metal from the 70s and 80s era should be aware of. The very bands that, if they took the time to listen to, would probably actually like. We are like the disciples, who go out and tell everyone about all these great new bands like Wig Wam, The Poodles, Pink Cream 69, Harem Scarem, M.ILL.ION, Slamer, Masterplan, Jorn Lande and more, the list of bands we could rave about is very very long, but for the most part it falls on deaf ears. I appreciate the newer stuff you play at Ringside to try and get the punters to take notice but not everyone gets the point. Believe me, me and Tim do the same at Ferry Inn and Duke Of Cumberland, we try to get folks to listen to different stuff too, but the majority of the punters in the venues just want what they already know - like some kind of comfort blanket. Yes you can play a newie by an established act like Scorpions or Ozzy but you try playing Frederiksen/Denander and they switch off. Promoters like Keiren and Bruce at Firefest IV know this and so get a name act that everyone knows to headline when they can - Winger at the last Firefest is a prime example of this.
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Post by littlelenny65 on Aug 10, 2007 19:47:56 GMT
oops forgot to login as me
Andy
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Post by Alison on Aug 10, 2007 23:45:28 GMT
This Gig was announced way back in April ( i believe) , IF people had wanted to go they had ample chance to plan ahead, Obviously Wig Wam, The Poodles & Brother Firetribe are not the draw i thought they were  But by April perhaps lots of people had already planned out their schedule for summer/autumn (FF, Z-rock, Rock of ages etc) and for financial or other reasons, just couldn't commit to another festival  |
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Post by Alison on Aug 11, 2007 0:05:09 GMT
Alison, don't take some of the comments made, blaming the fans to heart or personally. I believe these comments to be born out of frustration and disappointment at the event folding, obviously a lot of Daren's own money has been sunk into this as well as a lot of time and effort and his father has been seriously ill recently. I'm sure Daren did not mean to offend anyone. I am Very shocked at the piss-poor pre-sale of the tickets for Thunderground. But obviously a lot of factors that other people have mentioned including yourself contribute to reasons why. Going to Firefest or any gig that means staying away from home is money wise like a holiday. Most points people are making as reasons why people aren't going to thunderground or haven't gotten tickets sooner i agree with or Understand. Having said that i can't believe in general people are dis-interested in this line up. I think Daren thought he was creating a "Fans dream line up" a give the people what they want festival. He, like has already been mentioned totally misjudged the demand for these bands to play live, and has payed for it very heavily financially. I thought these bands had a better following than is in fact the truth. I'm totally gutted as i was looking forward to this far more than Firefest. Woody I didn't take it personally, and I'm sure no offence was intended, but there are valid reasons why this hasn't worked out and to blame the fans isn't helpful, because it doesn't get to the bottom of the real reason people didn't buy tickets. I had decided I would go, but not because I was drawn to any of the bands. I just fancied going away, hearing some live music and having a good time!  |
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Post by Woody on Aug 11, 2007 13:50:16 GMT
reading a lot of peoples comments about Thunderground I think you've hit the nail on the head Alison without meaning to. You were going for the "crack" as opposed to the bands and here lies the reason Thunderground failed people saw that line up and went hmmmmm nahhh thanks bit expensive for bands i couldn't care less about. I agree no one should pay for something they don't want, yes we should support the scene but we don't have bottomless pockets of wealth. (although I'm hoping that money tree starts blossoming soon!) I personally don't believe it failed because we already have Z Rock & Firefest, It failed cause most people didn't care for the line up! personally to me it was an AMAZING line-up, but unfortunately i was one of the few that thought that!
Woody
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Post by littlelenny65 on Aug 11, 2007 17:32:31 GMT
Personally I think it is a mixture of both. There is a lot going on right now too. You can't just go to every single festival, concert, rally you would need a huge financial resource and it would probably take up the vast majority of weekends etc. some firends of ours have recently been to about 3 rallys in succession, thats not including the fact that they will e going to Firefest and other gigs...I just think it's a recipe of everything, not just one thing. But I certainly do not accept apathy, and people are allowed the right to discern when an event is organised as to whether it is viable for them...some people can't even afford to go even for the fun of it. At the end of the day we all have real lives to live. And as I stated before some you win , some you lose.
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