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Post by Lea on Oct 30, 2008 23:42:19 GMT
I think hell will freeze over before Rock City's management address any problems of disability access or health and safety. That's the exact reason that I found it so funny that we were told we couldn't use the back way up to the balcony for the bands! It's not like it was even the VIPs, it was the actual bands! |
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Post by Alison on Oct 30, 2008 23:45:02 GMT
I think hell will freeze over before Rock City's management address any problems of disability access or health and safety. That's the exact reason that I found it so funny that we were told we couldn't use the back way up to the balcony for the bands! It's not like it was even the VIPs, it was the actual bands! You'd have thought they'd have welcomed that really wouldn't you? After all it would have taken traffic away from the aready congested "public" areas! |
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Post by Lea on Oct 31, 2008 2:35:34 GMT
You would have thought!
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Post by tangocharlie on Oct 31, 2008 13:47:31 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks the cans of larger situation was a bit odd?!
One minute they were selling cans, then draught, then cans. If you asked nicely they would actually give you a pint rather than a can!
At one point one bar was told to sell cans whilst the other was selling draught pints! I thought it was odd, like they were told to flog the cans unless people complained!
Also, anyone notice a distinct lack of dry ice on the last day? Did they run out? Just an observation, not a gripe!
Tc
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Post by Lea on Oct 31, 2008 14:41:35 GMT
They were using enough during Danny's set even though they were told about 3 times not to use it!!
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Post by Woody on Oct 31, 2008 19:35:06 GMT
"For anyone with any kind of health or mobility problem Rock City is a nightmare. I know that the layout of the building perhaps makes it difficult to adapt, but one can't help thinking they aren't even trying! It should not be neccessary for people with mobility problems whether temporary or otherwise to be going up and down stairs to use the toilet or to get to a bar.
Something else that might be helpful would be some of the lights could be on in between bands, or if there could be a few downlighters or spots on the staircases. I found it quite hard myself to negotiate the steps down from the bar because I couldn't tell what was the step and what was the edge of the step, in the half-light it looked like stripes. (And I had only been drinking mineral water!)
I think hell will freeze over before Rock City's management address any problems of disability access or health and safety."
Alison , Rock City aren't trying they have found a loophole in the discrimination laws and the only way anything will change there will be by someone taking them to court.....i gave up my fight with them during the summer when i realised FF wasn't gonna be possible as i didn't feel there was enough time for the venue to be made up to scratch.....
I can't see Rock City changing in the forseeable future.....and even though FF future is uncertain i can already say i won't be there.
as far as the health and safety is concerned , i doubt Rock City will address these issuses unless their is a Fire , a Death or serious injury.
Rock City are not a fan freindly venue and couldn't care less about the people who frequent there all they want is you to empty your pockets at the bar and then bog off.....
Woody
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Post by Woody on Oct 31, 2008 19:45:21 GMT
oh forgot to say, forget toilets and bar access Alison , getting in the venue full stop is a fooking nightmare!
personally if i thought the "Melodic Rock community" wouldn't turn on me.....i'd set the place on fire...whilst jamming to Burn's Down In Flames...........
Woody
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Post by Steve Price on Oct 31, 2008 21:42:01 GMT
...and to think.... all I wanted to know was if people enjoyed this years festival... WOW!
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Post by Alison on Nov 1, 2008 0:07:57 GMT
...and to think.... all I wanted to know was if people enjoyed this years festival... WOW! Well I haven't heard anyone say they didn't enjoy the festival itself! People just like to have a little gripe about stuff -it's all good, at least we don't resort to personal insults round here! ;D |
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Post by Karen (kazbaz) on Nov 1, 2008 11:15:10 GMT
I totally agree with Janette. I have stood on the stairs for every FF (purely for the damned good view) and I am only too willing to remove myself from them if someone is struggling to get by. I agree there are some very rude peeps who won't budge an inch to let anyone through and that can be a hazzard for people such as Rocklady (I was the one who carried your crutch to the bottom of the stairs) but I am always happy to oblige! Janette is right about the fact that during Jeff and Tyketto there weren't many people around us but we wouldn't have cared at that moment anyway cos we were thoroughly bloody enjoying ourselves!! When it comes down to it, it's a shame that the excitement of the last Firefest ( hopefully there will be something similar next year and back in Bradford please) has to be dampened over an issue with a flight of stairs! Karen  |
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Post by tangocharlie on Nov 1, 2008 11:24:56 GMT
No strobes please, no dry ice please, no people please. Was Rock 'n Roll ever supposed to be sanitized! It's often chaotic.
Oh and the floors were sticky too!
Tc
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Post by Alison on Nov 1, 2008 11:33:36 GMT
No strobes please, no dry ice please, no people please. Was Rock 'n Roll ever supposed to be sanitized! It's often chaotic. Oh and the floors were sticky too! Tc No, you're right TC , it shouldn't be sanitised, but I think it ought to be accessible -to all  |
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Post by Steve Price on Nov 1, 2008 13:24:31 GMT
( hopefully there will be something similar next year and back in Bradford please) FF (or similar) will never return to Bradford. Whilst the venue some may consider better there were too many issues with the venue management and the cost. A number of alternative venues were looked at this year (Wolverhampton and Derby for instance) but the costs were astronomical compared to NRC. Wolv Civic wanted more than double the rate of NRC and this included nothing extra (no security, no door staff etc) so these extra's would have to have been hired in at cost. It's also no good hiring a venue that holds 3000+ cos it would never be filled and would always look half empty. The FF team are realistic and know that it's unlikely a gig would pull in more than 1500 people. So, unless someone can come up with a perfect venue, situated in (more or less) the centre of the country that hold 1200-1500 people + good hotel facilities nearby, I can see no alternative to NRC. This is my personal opinion and not that of FF or ARfm. Steve |
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Post by Woody on Nov 1, 2008 15:38:07 GMT
I understand your comments Steve and i know the only option is Rock City. I wish there was an alternative but you are absolutely right there is nothing else suitable and affordable.
Wolves Civic is unrealistic, i was shocked when David Readman leaked that this year and never believed it anyway, because of the just shy of 3K capacity.
I know I'll never see another FF ( or similar) but I'm sure you can as a fan yourself can understand my frustration at not been able to see all those great bands most of whom would never be able to tour or even play a one off in this country if it wasn't for the FF team.
My negatives about Rock City are not aimed at anyone to do with Firefest, and if they have been took that way , I'm sorry , my grievances are solely with the ignorance , prejudice and discrimination that goes on at Rock City.
I'm extremely pleased that FF may continue if not this year then the following, obviously i can't be or ever be part of it, but it is EXTREMELY important to keeping the scene alive, so obviously i will support it and hope it continues for many more years...
but its hard to smile when everyone is buzzing and excited about an excellent event when inside my heart is breaking at my exclusion......i know i'm only one person and unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but its still gets me down.....yes i should probably keep it to myself in a public forum like this , but i was responding to something Alison said and should have perhaps thought twice before posting.
Woody
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Post by rocklady on Nov 1, 2008 18:34:08 GMT
And this is what I thought of the Sunday. Again I didn’t go until later, so I missed the first four bands, decided to get there in time to see Mitch Malloy. When I got there, this time they carried me up the back secret stairs to the balcony, better idea. Mitch was already on stage, think they must have been running ahead. Really enjoyed his performance. White Sister, were they good or what!! Excellent gig, I’ve only got the Passion By Fashion album and even though they only did a few from that the whole performance was great. Tall Stories, omg what a treat that was, I just enjoyed the whole performance from beginning to end; The whole band put on a great show. D2, were really good live, I’m not into them big style but they did do a great show with lots of energy Firehouse, was really looking forward to them, love their material, I think they did an excellent set but I felt the drum solo went on a bit too long, which was a bit disappointing, would have been ok if the performance time was longer but anyway. The band that made it for me on Sunday was Tall Stories and over the weekend it was Tyketto, Tall Stories, Pink Cream. White Sister were mighty fine too. |
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